Amanda Schull & Aaron Stanford – 12 Monkeys

By starrymag | January 13, 2015

Q) The series deals with time travel.  As actors, do you ever find all the different timelines confusing and how did you manage to keep it all straight?

Aaron: Well, thankfully there’s a large army of people devoted and dedicated to keeping all that information straight, but yes, it can get very confusing at times, particularly when dealing with situations and scenes where there’s multiple versions of yourself running around. So, yes, I was definitely confused by it, but there were always plenty of people on set that you could turn to if things get to be a bit too much.

Amanda: Sure, if you want my input.  I concur entirely with Aaron.  I also am a very meticulous note taker, so I usually have my notebook on set just even for things that they wouldn’t necessarily be – the army that Aaron mentioned of people who are dedicated to that sort of thing. I have my own notes what my character knows, what she doesn’t yet, what has happened, what hasn’t happened yet because with time travel it can get a little bit confusing for sure, not only for Aaron’s reasons where there might be multiple versions of yourself, but also in different years what you may or may not know and what has or hasn’t happened yet.

Q) For people who are actually familiar with the original movie and fans of that movie, how would you convince them that they need to watch the TV series?

Aaron: Well, I’m a huge fan of the original movie and I was excited to get involved in the project for that reason, and what I like about it is it’s a chance to expand and explore the universe of 12 Monkeys on a much larger scale.  It’s a great chance to turn it into a much more epic story. The film 12 Monkeys was based on a short film called La Jetée by a filmmaker named Chris Marker in 1962.  And it was basically the same plotline but it was a very different execution it was a small bite-sized chunk and then 12 Monkeys took that and they expanded it and made it their own and now what we’ve done is the same thing. 12 Monkeys is the inspiration and it’s the source material and we took that and we turned it into something different and much more expansive.

Amanda: You don’t need to be just a fan of the film or just a fan of the series.  I think you can be both because what Aaron said that we expanded but also our characters are different from the film and the storylines are different from the film.  It’s got the same sort of original kernel but its own entity. We have this luxury of researching episodes.  We don’t – we’re not constrained by time.  So, we have a lot of different characters that are introduced and – with guest stars and storylines that I think will be interesting for people who loves the movie and people who aren’t familiar with the movie.

Q) Given current day concerns about things like pandemics, I think that the story in this show is probably timelier than it was in the movie 20 years ago.  What do you all think about that?

Aaron: Well, there’s a lot going on right now for sure, but I think – honestly I think that this subject has been ripe for exploration for a very, very long time.  I mean, right now everyone’s mind is on the newspaper headlines about Ebola, so that’s what you’re thinking about right now.  But this type of this has been going on for a very, very long time.  It’s the plague in the Middle Ages.  I was going to say, the influenza outbreak in the early 20th century, 1918, and H1N1 – the list goes on and on.  It’s been a very viable threat for a really long time, now just as much as ever.

Q) If you all had a time-travel device, you’re very young where you could go anywhere you wish, where would you like to go?

Amanda: I think that my answer was that I would want to go explore kind of a monumental moment in history, but maybe I would just like to go and hide probably, hide out, but witness dinosaurs, sort of roaming the earth.  I think that would be fascinating. I mean the difficulty is this, is that all these periods throughout history are fascinating, but the question is, would you really want to go there?  Do you really want to give up hot showers?  You want to give up indoor plumbing, you want to give up all your conveniences?  So, I think if I could go anywhere in time I would go to a fictional future where they had created a hollow deck, like on Star Trek, and then you could visit any place you want throughout history with all of the modern conveniences.

Q) I was wondering what it was like filming in Toronto, are you guys done filming now?

Aaron: Yes, we finished about a month ago. It was sort of an absolutely perfect time slot.  We were there from I think it was the end of July till the beginning of December. I’ve been working in Toronto for the last four years on a different TV show called Nikita. We were there through all the bitterness and the really, really hot summers and the cold winter, so it was nice to have like we just hit that sweet spot where it was perfect, just got like the tail end of the summer and then all the fall with the beautiful foliage and then beginning of the winter and then we got out.  Beautiful.

Q) You said that you’re going to have a lot of interesting characters and I know that both Demore Barnes and Todd Stashwick have mentioned that they’re going to be on the show.  Can you tease anything about their characters, who they’re going to be relating to, if we’re going to see them in the past, present, future?

Aaron: Yes, I think we’re allowed to tease out.  They’re both from the future and they’re both pitted against each other on opposite sides.  And one of them is going to be like – sort of like a scavenger king, and he’s like – he’s leading an assault against Demore and the force of the civilization.

Q) Amanda, I don’t want to use all the questions, but – so how is it going to split between present and future?  I’m assuming that Amanda you’re just going to be basically in the present, right?

Amanda: Dr. Railly was in 2015.  So, what she knows of the future is basically only what Cole has told her.  So her understanding of what’s going on is limited to that at this point.

Q) I would say what’s really cool is the chemistry between you two, which is so important in the series like this and if people had a magic formula, had a bottle something like that, they have it.  Talk about how you developed working with each other a little bit.  I’d like to pose the way you brought intensity to Cole and Amanda, just she wants to like set up all these things to deal with pandemics and here’s this guy telling her what’s happening, it would happen in the future, so it’s like, it was almost like a (fig) kind of thing for them too more than anything else, but just talk about your chemistry and kind of get – setting that up together and working together that way.

Aaron: Well, Amanda couldn’t stand me at first. and it was a long period of having to win her over.  That’s what have led over into our characters. No, I think it gradually develops for me also over time we never – it’s not like a film where you read the scripts and what the story is from beginning to end, because you have the whole scripts right in front of you. We don’t really know the whole story at the jump.  So you’re watching things, the relationship sort of unfold in real time from my perspective anyway, and like you said they were – they’re thrown together by fate, they don’t really have much choice at the matter and they’re very, very different people, they’re absolute opposites, but they’re thrown together and I think that through this the crucible of what they have to do is a very, very difficult mission.  They form a bond.

Amanda: I mean working with Aaron just from a personal level not just from character level, he shows at the set very prepared and he does – gives you a 110 percent for every single scene, for every single page.  And so, I think that helped with just our on-set chemistry which hopefully translates to the on camera chemistry that it’s nice working with someone who gives you as much as you give them and you can have an equal relationship and that has allowed us to be honest with the material because we both invest completely into each character.

Q) You say some things that are plausible and possible and you have details about it that only she would know, so it’s just kind of playing that line, would you – you can’t get too manic with but you have to also be convincing.  And then the other way from Amanda’s point is to you’re – you have to – you’re a little guarded, you’re not sure what he is but yet, he does kind of reach you a little bit too.  So you’re both kind of walking a fine line there.

Aaron: Yes. From my perspective so you have something that to be the truth.  That it’s fact, but everyone else it seems completely impossible, it seems like it couldn’t – it could not possibly be true, so it’s a very frustrating situation to be put in.  It’s a pretty tall order to get someone to believe something that is impossible. So when he ends up having to do in that scene it gives her bits of information here and there that are – they start to sway her a little bit, but eventually he realizes the only way to prove to someone that the impossible is true really showed him some things that is possible and happen right in front of their eyes, and that -0 that’s what he ends up having to do.

Amanda: Well from my perspective I think, for Dr. Railly it’s exactly what Aaron just said that, it was really just to prove he’s not anything that he could possibly say, it’s something that she sees with her own eyes.  She trust herself.  She doesn’t trust this man in front of her, so she trust what she sees and she knows that to be true, which is what sort of allows her to go on this ridiculous journey with him because she knows what she saw and she knows her own intelligence, otherwise nothing he said would matter

Q) We find out pretty early into the first hour that Cassie fell apart a little bit between Cole’s first two visits because she chose to tell the truth, do we ever look back at those intervening two years to kind of see what made Cassie decide to sort of tell everybody what she saw rather than keep it to herself and wait Cole out and then the second part of that is that although her career seems to fall apart between 2013 and 2015, the timeline’s unaffected as far as her still being at the CDC in 2017, so will we get into a little bit of that about how these things have managed to still keep Cassie’s timeline intact, as well?

Amanda: So, you’ve seen the first two episodes and I think a lot of what you just asked both parts of those questions will be answered in the third. I think that a lot of that will be playing in the third and I think regarding what you asked about her not keeping her mouth shut and sort of telling – well, the police are on the scene, right when he disappears. We don’t see on camera what exactly happened but I would imagine that they know that something happened, although they probably assumed he disappeared like climbing into a pole or up a ladder or somehow escaping.  But like I said to Tony in the last call, that she knows what see saw and so I think that’s why she doesn’t keep her mouth shut. She maybe doesn’t necessarily scream it from the mouth and talk, but she definitely told Aaron because he’s her partner in life and she would obviously share with him something that’s really troubling her or intriguing her, fascinating her and who knows who he told and in her state of shock what she said to the police on the scene and the report.

Q) And you see it register for Cole, when he comes back and she immediately says she was a doctor, she’s not anymore and he realizes that he’s really upended her life, does that weigh in to how Cole approaches each mission going forward since that sort of the basic construct of the show is he’s going to have to keep coming back and using her. So do we see that way on Cole?

Aaron: Yes, absolutely.  As time goes on, and the relationship develops and she comes to mean something to him, he does, he starts to realize really what he’s asking of her, and the toll that it takes on her and it becomes an inter struggle for him whether or not he wants to continue with this and put this person that he cares about through difficulties and in danger.

Q) Your performances in the first two episodes were really riveting and I’m already loving this version of the story.  Can you tell us about how each of you came to be cast, where there multiple rounds of auditions for you both and chemistry reads or the like?

Amanda: I don’t even know if that’s an accurate statement though because I got the script before Aaron and I did go into the hopper before Aaron did, but I think it wasn’t until Aaron and I had a chemistry read together that they finalized the casting.  I’d say that that was really when it was all filled up.

Aaron: Yes, I would say.  It was a confusing casting process and that’s usually how casting processes are. They can be sort of a mess.  Because you’re looking for something very specific and you’re looking for oftentimes a very important chemistry between two characters, so they don’t necessarily want to nail one person down until they’re sure the other person’s going to be and they’re sure if those people are going to have that sort of intangible ephemeral thing between them that spark. I can tell you the final round for me was coming in and reading with Amanda and it was – I still remember it was a great experience, they really put us through it, there was a lot of improv and she came 100 percent prepared and ready and it was extraordinarily helpful.  And we make something happen in the room, the – I think that’s how I got the part anyway at least.

Q) Your chemistry together is very engaging.  But Amanda, you appeared in an episode of Nikita in 2013, I don’t recall specifically, but did you have any scenes with Aaron then or perhaps get to meet him at that time?

Amanda: No.  I didn’t have any scenes with Aaron.  All of my scenes were with Maggie and I had one scene with Lyndsy.  So I didn’t get a chance to work with Aaron or Noah at all.

Aaron: No, she was busy kicking ass on that show, so it’s a primary function.

Amanda: I think that final ass that was kicked was mine, however.

Aaron: Well, always Nikita always has to win. You got some good ones in though, for sure.

Amanda: I got a couple of punches in.

Q) It still surprises you, everyone have seen the movie 20 years ago will be happy to know to how different it is.  Going back to time travel question sort of on a more personal level again, if you could go back and change one thing either globally or personally, what would you maybe pick at this present moment?

Aaron: I didn’t prep for that one man.

Amanda: It would change one thing, what does that change going forward?  I mean maybe you’re not supposed to get so heady with this question, but this is really …

Aaron: I tell you what, I’m not prepared until like I have a nice long bull session with a bunch of friends and we talk about like what’s the most important thing to change, I won’t be confident in my answer. I would love to do, which I think anybody would love to do is go back in time and find a much younger version of myself and fill myself in all the things that I don’t need to worry about and give myself a little bit advice on life.

Amanda: Yes, but Aaron that would totally change what you would be like going forward.

Aaron: Yes.  It’s true.  What if you – she’s right, what if you screw everything up?

Amanda: How do you know there are no repercussions?

Aaron: Because the leprechaun who’s allowed us to travel back in time then there are no repercussions.

Amanda: There are probably some people whose numbers I would delete a lot faster than I did.

Q) I imagine maybe in doing the research for your roles and for different time in history in different locations, were there any surprises that you came across that was unexpected in doing a research?

Aaron: Well the very first unexpected thing that I came across was that essentially time travel is possible, it’s mathematically possible.  It’s been proven to be so, which was not something I was aware of.  I thought it was entirely a flight of fancy and fiction, but the truth is they – essentially they know how to do it, it’s just a matter of having the technology and the resources to do it.  So that was an eye-opener for me.

Amanda: When we went to go do the pilot Aaron, and I was going for this hair and makeup test before we actually shot it and we were only going to be in Detroit for one night, we had – Aaron had a carryon of about six different books relating all to time travel, that he thought he was going to somehow read all in one evening and be able to totally understand time travel by the time…

Aaron: I didn’t really think that one through. And then of course almost none of them proved to be helpful because our version of time travel is our own.  It’s like it’s a fictional version of time travel that’s – that is a little more conducive to storytelling.

Q) You guys talked about obviously how much the show is different in that, but I’m curious was there anything in particular about the characters from the movie that maybe you thought about as you created your version, like anything that you did pull from at all?

Aaron: For me it was a really interesting role for Bruce Willis, what he did with it.  He’s generally remembered for really his action roles, just remember the John McClane, and he really brought this child-like innocence to the role in 12 Monkeys and it was expressed in his experience of our presence of our roles.  This was a man coming in unimaginably unpleasant, difficult place where all of the pleasures, comforts, and everything, art, it was all take – stripped away from him. So his experience of our world was very similar to that of a newborn.  He’s experiencing everything for the very first time and I really liked that choice and that idea, so I did try to bring a little bit of that to my performance as well.

Amanda: Well, I didn’t re-watch the film before we shot the pilot.  So, I didn’t want to try to – I didn’t want Madeleine’s performance to affect my performance because we’re different characters and I don’t think I could ever do her performance, she’s brilliant you know?  So, I made the choice to be different from that, how – and we are different characters in a lot of senses, different careers and different life trajectory. But, going forward in the series, I did watch the show – the film before we shot the show and I think that the soft spot that Dr. Railly has for Cole is probably a very similar dynamic as in the film that a lot of things can happen on the periphery but at the core there’s a connection between the two characters.

Q) You two have any like favorite action scenes or anything?  I don’t know how much is in the season following, but I know you’re at least like running away from the exploding watches like, the best way to put it.

Amanda: Aaron did a lot of fight and action sequences.  He’s great at them.

Aaron: Yes, there’s a lot of action.  I’m trying to think, if there’s a – if there was a favorite.  I mean, I think any favorite action sequences I had involve another actors we have in the cast, Barbara Sukowa who’s a very, very well-known and celebrated German actress if you don’t know her. Has been around for a long time and has a pretty amazing resume and body of work.  But one thing that she had never done ever was an action scene.  She’d never been involved in an action, she’d never watched – heard a gun fire, she’d never fired a gun, none of that.  So, basically any action sequence were she was on the – was around or on the scene was my favorite because I could watch her react to these things. She was so like blown away by everything in sight.  That was a lot of fun for me.

Amanda: I actually do get to do a bit of action around the series, and anytime that I know I get to do something I’m very excited.  There was one scene with you Aaron where I slipped into kind of like a slow-motion like slide to my knees, that was not one of my favorite things. It was in that warehouse that night, and it was really slippery.  I don’t want to give so much on the phone. It would be like painful to watch in my embarrassment.  But I think anytime I get to do something myself I’m thrilled just because I love to be physical with my work and so I’m always excited when I have an opportunity to do that.

Q) If I can remember correctly, it’s been awhile.  In the original movie, I think they held the belief that time was somewhat immutable, that is you really can’t change anything significantly by going back in time, but in the series, the opposite at least appears to be true in that that’s actually Cole’s mission to go back in time to change the past to prevent the plague from even occurring.  Is this actually a true statement something that they’re changing or are we going to find out more information as the series go along?  Just what can you say on that without giving too much away?

Aaron: I think I’m allowed to say that your observation is 100 percent correct.  In the film, the understanding was that time was fixed.  There was absolutely no way that they could change it and Cole’s mission was only to go back and observe and bring back information.  And that holds with the current theory of time travel that comes from Einstein’s theory of relativity that you can travel through time but you cannot change it. So, for the series, I think they sort of – in order to tell the kind of story they wanted to tell, they needed there to be the possibility of change.  So they sort of went a different route and there are ultimate series of time travel that do allow things to be altered and changed and that’s quantum theory. So, the movie goes with relative theory and the TV should go with the quantum theory.

Q) I think it’s very fascinating that the show is being paired with Helix, which premiered on Syfy a year ago, and then also deals with health issues, pandemic, plague, crisis going out of control, their attitude on the show is modifying their tagline is, if you play God, you pay the price. And I’m wondering to both of you, when you were given guidance about playing your roles, did the producers give you any guidance about how you deal with pandemics?  What is the edge by dealing with health crisis going out of control?  And I’m wondering how comparable it is to what Helix was doing?

Aaron: well, they might’ve spoken to you a little bit about that Amanda.  I mean your character ends up working for the CDC. They didn’t give me any guidance specifically about how my character would deal with that other than what a virologist would do specifically in that instance.  And in episode 3, you’ll see a flashback of Dr. Railly dealing with that exact scenario, and so you’ll understand and I was – you’ll understand how she would handle that sort of situation because she becomes immersed in it.

Q) Atlas Entertainment which produced the original movie 20 years ago, is also involved in the show.  Charles Roven was the executive producer I think on the film is a producer on this, did he give you any guidance about how to play your roles or what the tone of the series should be compared to the tone of the film?

Aaron: No, he didn’t specifically. In terms of performance, I know that he stayed pretty hands off and he allowed us leeway to sort of find our own way, which is great. The show is inspired by the movie, it’s based on the movie but it is definitely not the movie.  It is an entirely different thing and that was the idea, we wanted to make it our own.

Amanda: No, Chuck didn’t give me any direct character notes.  I’m hearing this right – both he and Richard Suckle are very generous in allowing the writers, the creators and then the actors as well, of a lot of interpretation and a lot of flexibility, so we’re very fortunate in that regard.

Q) You’ve sort of addressed this, but I was wondering if either of you were given show bibles ahead of time to detail your character’s back stories or did you essentially discover all those of types of details as the shooting progressed?

Aaron: I certainly wasn’t given a bible, but I did have a sit-down with Travis Fickett and Terry Matalas, were the two writer-creators of the show, and they gave me a rough breakdown of what the character’s journey was going to be.  And in TV, I think that’s usually as good as it gets because that’s all the writers had, a rough idea. And as time goes on and they watched the episodes develop, they see how things change on the day and what the dailies look like and what the acts look like when they’re cut together there’s always little nips and tucks and tweaks that are going to be made.

Amanda: I wasn’t given a bible either and like Aaron I had a couple of long conversations with both gentlemen, as well as checking e-mails and we’re very fortunate that both of them came up periodically to watch and we could talk between scenes and even talk during the scenes about what did he meant and the trajectory of the character in the short term as well as the long term over the course of the – in episodes, and my character does have a very specific arc and they wanted to make sure that I was aware a bit of the endpoint, that they knew that they were going to get to, so I could keep that in mind, which is a nice luxury because as Aaron said with television you don’t know where you’re going but I knew the definite point that I was going to finish up, I just didn’t know the specifics of how I was going to get there, so I just needed to make choices along the way that would justify that endpoint.

Aaron: Yes.  You usually know the start and the destination and the road there is sort of a question mark.

Q) And the first two episodes essentially you’re a twosome, you’re a pair, but with the character that Noah Bean plays and Emily Hampshire plays as well, it seems like there’s a possibility that at some point you could become a trio.  Is there a third character that – or an additional character that either of you spent the most time with besides each other that you might want to talk about shooting how that went?

Aaron: I think Noah would be the third member of the ménage a trois you speak of, right?  Noah Bean plays Matthews’ love interest.  And he is put into a very difficult and precarious situation.  He is in love with Cassandra but he believes that she’s lost her mind and in trying to protect her he ends up pushing her away and damaging the relationship and then it develops from there.  I don’t want to get too much into it because that’s spoilery.

Q) I’m wondering if either of you have gotten to experience an episode of your show yet with that system?

Aaron: – as a matter of fact just experienced it.  I went to the CES conference in Vegas and they had their whole rig set up in a room playing on a loop with the pilot, so we got a chance to see it and it’s pretty cool.  It’s pretty cool I got to say. It’s fascinating, they have to – in order to make it work, someone has to write what’s called a lighting score, so it’s similar to scoring the show with music.  These guys score it with light, so it’s really nice addition to the experience and it turns it into an even more immersive experience.  A lot of fun.

Q) So you mentioned that there are different versions of timeline effective and how time travel is characterized between the show and the movie.  Does that give you a little bit of a safety net from episode to episode where sort of in the back of your mind, well we can reset this, is something kind of goes one way or another with the characters or with an art, is that ever brought up in the conversation that if you mess something up or something goes sideways, there’s going to be other opportunities to go back and fix it?

Aaron: Yes.  There’s an element of that but I think they didn’t – don’t want to use too much of that, you don’t want to lean too much on that because it takes the stakes out of the situation.  You want there to be the sense that things matter that if you don’t achieve this goal or if you screw this one thing up, it’s going to have consequences.So, I think what they’re trying to use the time travel element for is more to complicate and make things more difficult and less to use it as a get out of jail free card. What can one say about that?  I mean he absolutely inhabited the character.  I mean plays a very, very frightening and imposing character and pretty much the entire time he was on set he had the entire cast and crew terrified of him. I was terrified.  He’s an imposing guy.  I mean, yes, every once in a while he drop character, but he’s a consummate method actor.

Amanda: Well, I think I had a unique experience with him because there was – we definitely had a few nights where for whatever reason Tom and I had downtime together while you were working and so, Tom and I spent – there was one Friday that was bled into a Saturday morning that Tom and I sat in our chairs until 7 o’clock in the morning and I just listened to Tom tell old acting war stories and just his life stories, just has me riveted. And then we’d go out and we do 30 seconds of the scene, and then we come back and he go, so where was I?  And we pick up exactly where he had left off.

Q) We obviously don’t know very much of what is coming, we’ve just seen two episodes, but do you foresee, are you able to shed any light on if there might be a chance of the story arc actually concluding while then opening up room for new story arcs down the line

Aaron: I mean I would say absolutely. Anything is possible and that’s the nice thing about this premise and type of story.  It could really conceivably go absolutely anywhere. I haven’t talked to the writers about exactly what their plans are for season 2, but they crammed a lot of story into season 1.  I mean, in my opinion it’s like three seasons’ worth of story. So, yes, where we go season 2 is really anybody’s guess.

Amanda: I think what’s interesting about the writers just tag on with what Aaron just said is that yes, we did cram three seasons of story and I was talking to Terry and Travis about that one day and Terry – Travis I think as we said, they have a motto that they never read anything not that if they have a desire or an interest in a particular storyline or particular scene or something and they think something could be great, they write as if they’ll never get that opportunity again, as if there’s never going to be a second season or a next episode. So, I think that makes a really interesting viewing for an audience because it is so jam-packed.  There aren’t a lot of dull moments.  I actually can’t think of a single dull moment.  It’s like freight train. And then as an actor, you don’t ever feel like, we did this already rehashing this all over again, because those two guys are really creative gentlemen and they don’t ever want there to be a dull moment and I think it’s also for selfish purposes that they get really excited by the subject matter and they love to write and create.

Aaron: Yes, they’re the biggest fan boys you’re ever going to meet.  That’s what great having them work on the show because they absolutely know eat, sleep and breathe this stuff, they just – it’s all they care about, it’s all they’re into, so it’s nice having somebody like that during the show.

Q) Where would you each like to see your characters go?  What direction?

Aaron: It’s tough to say.  Like I said, there are so many different possibilities.  The only thing I care about is that the journey’s a long one, I’d like that and as always you want to see your character stretched to extremes so wherever Cole goes I want it to be somewhere that is very, very far from where he began.  I want to see some kind of very, very fundamental change in who he is.

Amanda: I agree with Aaron that I would like for it to be a very long journey and b, that I do – it’s really exciting for an actor to be able to change and how rewarding is it to be able to know the core who this person is and where they came from and then have the gift of storyline over the course of a series, a season, even an episode, and also what the subject matter with time travel be able to be different versions of this person and be so affected by major events that it changes this person on so many levels that we’re really given this luxury of creativity but comfort within one person one character. So I think we’re spoiled in that regard and if I could say that choose anywhere where – for my character to go there, actually taking her to some pretty fantastic places over the course of the first season, so I can only imagine that it’s going to get even more exciting if we’re lucky enough to have a second.

Q) I was wondering if you could talk with or talk about working with Kirk Acevedo?

Aaron: He was great to work with. He’s the real thing and he absolutely will go wherever he needs to go to get the job done.  Very, very intense actor and great to have as a scene partner because that’s your lifeline in the scene, you’re reacting to what they’re doing and Kirk was always deeply, deeply invested in the scene, and it was great to be opposite that and feed off of that.

 

 

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