Joshua Gates – Expedition Unknown

By starrymag | December 23, 2014

Q) The 3 times during this premier, they show you saying there’s got to be a better way to make a living than this. So I want to ask you, seriously is there or not? Do you have the world’s best job or are there better ways to make a living?

A) I think it depends on your level of interest in difficult food bad roads, questionable air travel. For me I love this stuff. I love rough shot travel, I love adventure travel, so for me I think I do have the best job in the world. But of course its’ a be careful what you wish for job right? These are really difficult places in some cases and the stories take us to kind of an extreme environment. I think part of the fun of the series, is, watching how we deal with some of those situations. So I think it is a great job but certainly it does get a little hairy along the way.

Q) You said that for your entire life, you said you’ve been interested in Amelia Earhart thing. Care to tell us roughly when it was you first went and how you first heard about Amelia Earhart, kind of what was it that perked your interest and why this one particularly?

A) I think it was sometime when I was kid, my father whose retired now, worked overseas for really most of my childhood and was really sort of flying back and forth to distant hence unknown. And so I was always from early age fascinated by travel, fascinated by aviation. And I heard the Earhart story at some point when I was a kid and I was sort of just transfixed by this idea that we couldn’t find this person. As a kid it was one of the first times, I really had a sense of this idea that people can be lost and never found and there’s something about her story that’s always grabbed me. And I think it’s grabbed a lot of people over the years. And I’ve often kind of asked and I think in the show, we also asked why do we have this fascination with her? Plenty of people have been lost over the years and I think for me, it has something to do with just how daring she was. Just how unrestrained she was. She had this incredible confidence and in the time that she was flying, not just as a woman but even as a pilot this was incredibly difficult thing to do. And she showed an extraordinary amount of poise and bravery and I think there’s something about here that we just want closure. We want to find out what happened to her. I think she sort of deserves that closure. And so I think that for me I’ve always just been kind of transfixed by her and this is a great opportunity for me to take a deeper dive and explore different parts of the legend, different new breaks in the case and helped me to learn a lot more about where she vanished from and the environment that she was up against.

Q) And your dad was working overseas, as a what?

A) He’s a deep-sea diver.

Q) I really enjoy stories about buried treasures and all those kinds of adventures and you’ve talked a lot about Amelia Earhart, but can you talk about other than her some of your favorite adventures that you’ve gone on as maybe some of your find?

A) Yes for sure. I think one of the things about expedition unknown that’s really exciting for me, is that these are stories that, they’re like campfire stories; they just kind of make your ears perk up. These are really cool legends that have these great back stories. We do a number of things this season. Some of which I had already known about, some of which were new stories to me. We searched in the Viking Homeland in Norway for an object called the Viking Sun stone which is something I really didn’t know much about but it is this legendary artifact that purportedly the Vikings used to help navigate the Atlantic and really may have given them some dominance in their ability to be as successful as navigators. But it’s shrouded in mystery and it’s this very strange relic but there are groups of scientist now who are putting forward this notion that this thing which sounds so totally fantastical may very well have been a real object and had actual scientific properties that allowed it to work. So it’s a really cool investigation into Viking history and into Viking navigation looking for this mystical lost sun stone. We also looked for a famous city of Gold in Peru. Working with a group of really interesting explorers down there that are really making interesting headway in uncovering what might be a lost Incan city. And it’s a really hands on investigation where we go back country and trek with them for days up into the mountains and you really get a feeling of what it’s like to explore these place to really difficult environment. And I have to say I really went into that story feeling like oh this is probably kind of like a – this is just a legend. This can’t possibly be a real thing. This is the El Dorado of Peru. And by the end of it, I was thinking I think there might be a city out here. We really unearth some interesting evidence along the way. So the stories range from missing people in the case of Earhart, to relics and artifacts. In the case of Norway, we also have another relic that we’re looking for in the jungles of Cambodian, in a lost city that’s actually been found. These are one of the first film crews to visit this lost city. To things like missing treasure talking about Clive Cussler we live for Captain Morgan’s lost pirate ship off the coast of Panama. It does feel something like out of a Clive Cussler novel. These are really cool stories involving these larger than life characters. People like Morgan who a lot of people probably don’t even know that (Morgan) was a real person and he has this incredibly interesting life and his flagship have been missing for hundreds of years and really maybe in the cusp of being found. So just really cool adventures throughout the season.

Q) I’m curious so many of these things don’t fit in necessarily the results that you’re hoping for. So is it the case that’s more appealing to you, than actually finding treasure or Amelia Earhart’s bones?

A) I think it’s a combination of things. I mean, I think the stories in and out themselves are fascinating so just hearing about some of these legends and diving into them for me, is almost pay-off enough because the stories are just so cool. But we’re really trying to do is just to look for answers to legends that have some heat on them. We want to go to a place where scientist and explorers are making discoveries, are pushing the envelope, have new things to tell us and really that’s the case in the Earhart premieres. That we’re really following hot leads in the case. In the case of Captain Morgan, in the case of the Lost City in Peru, we’re working with eminent archeologists and explorers and so the episodes have discovery on them. They may not always end with me planting a flag in a lost city. But it really does bring us closer to these stories and we’re looking for stories that allow us to do that. So I think that for me, the satisfaction comes from a few different places. I think the stories in and out themselves are fascinating but the adventure and actually working with these experts who are making significant discoveries is obviously hugely satisfying as well.

Q) Is there a place on your wish list – an adventure on your wish list or your to do list that you haven’t taken on yet? The number 1 thing that you’d like to do next?

A) I’m kind of a travel nut at heart and always have been and so my bucket list is places I want to go, stories that I want to look into. It seems to get longer than shorter. Each time I go to a place to do a story or a piece, we end up hearing 5 more stories that I haven’t heard before. So I would say for me, very high on that list would be Tibet, Sri Lanka, those are places I’ve been really itching to go to for a long time. And really some of the things that we did this season. We go to Myanmar which is a country that I’ve wanted to go to for a very long time and it’s a place that for 50 years or more has really been closed off from the outside world and it’s just now in the last year or so, being opened up to the outside world for the first time, and to be able to bring cameras into a place like Myanmar and to show really some of the most unspoiled and beautiful temples in the world is such a thrill so for me that list is kind of a long one unfortunately but I’m trying to check off as many as I can.

Q) What do you most hope that viewers are going to take away from this? Is it about the travel part or is it the cracking open the history books or something else? What is it?

A) I think that’s a great question. I think it will probably be different for different viewers but for me it’s about viewers experiencing the travel and the expedition. I think one of the real disconnects between actually traveling and watching shows about travel is that travel is inherently totally immersive. It’s totally experiential. And what we try to do on Expedition Unknown is really bring the viewer along for the ride. We want them to feel like they’re right there with me, right in shotgun and a lot of times we don’t know what’s going to happen on this show and I think in the Earhart episode you certainly see that there are in that space, moments of real surprise where we just don’t know what’s going to happen next and our goal is to put the viewer, to make them feel like they’re out there with us. So for me, I hope what people take away from the show is, is a real sense of adventure, a real sense of being out there on an expedition and of course I hope that that inspires people to plan adventures of their own of course, that’s a real passionate mind travel and promoting travel and so I just hope it makes people feel like they’ve gone on a real adventure.

Q) It sounds like this show compared to destination truth is a little bit more about the legends that the world has and more of a mystery solving shows that kind of where you’re going with this?

A) I think so. First of all, it’s good to talk with you again. I think that it differs in a variety of – I think fundamental ways. Definitely some truth was at its core, an investigation show that was really exclusively focused on paranormal or zoological stories. Expedition Unknown is first of all focused on different types of stories. As you said, it is focused on legends on global mysteries. There are sometimes super natural elements to these stories; there are legends of curses, treasures, things like that. But I think it’s really a show that takes a deeper dive into the journey, into the travel and into the experience of the expeditions. I would say that it’s a much more sensory show, than destination truth. I think that the narration is more intimate, we’re also really trying to paint the locations that we visit with a finer brush than we have in the past. Expedition unknown is traveling to these really exotic locales and I really want to highlight that for travel channel viewers in a very tactile way. So I think the show is it’s more sensory, its’ a little bit sexier. We’re really trying to highlight the journey and the travel in the way that we didn’t always do in the past. And I think that’s what sets it apart.

Q) And how did this come about for you?

A) We have done 5 seasons of Destination Truth at Syfy and I think though there were many more monsters and ghosts to chase, I think we kind of felt like the format had kind of come to a natural conclusion and we wanted to move on and I really was eager to, I love the stories that we did on DT. I love the ghosts and the monsters stories, but along the way we would hear about all of these other terrific legends and mysteries and I think I wanted to do something that had a slightly broader palate. But also as I said a minute go, something that would allow us to highlight the journey and the locations in a finer way. And I met with travel channel and it just seems like a really good fit and that our interest is really aligned and the show was really born from that. It’s an opportunity to take the brand fact that I’ve built in the past, which is very much adventure travel and about investigating the unknown and about bringing it into all new format which allows the viewer to really be there with us and to experience these places in a whole new way. I’m glutton for punishment so I love it and look forward to hopefully viewers connecting with the show and having many more passports stamps to come.

Q) I’m curious when you and your team are trying to put together a season of episodes, what sort of criteria for you that makes like a good legend that will sort of lasts for a full hour of TV programming. I imagine there’s a lot out there but you can’t cover it all. So what’s sort of in your mind is a good checklist?

A) I think at the top of the checklist is that it needs to be a story that has some relevance, some topicality right now. It has to be something where there are developments in the case. I think that the story of dragons is really interesting but I think it would be hard for us to get an hour out of that unless someone claimed that they found a dragon. So we’re looking for stories that have some heat on them and I think that what’s interesting to me about the show is that we’re really able to interface with some very cool experts that are doing really interesting work on these stories. So I think that’s first and foremost for me. And then beyond that, we want to go to a location that’s dynamic enough to support an expedition for an hour and to have us go on a real journey. A lot of these places are traveling across Cambodia, into these landmine jungles or traveling deep into the jungles of Mexico to do underwater diving and the Mayan underworld, things like that. These are just really dynamic locations. And so that’s the second thing we’re looking for is, just a playground I guess you could say a place where we’re really going to be able to have an authentic expedition that’s exciting. And I think I would say a third, but maybe above all else it’s about stories that are interesting. When you hear some of these legends, they really pop. You really hear about some of these lost cities or missing treasures and you just think damn, that’s a really cool story, I wonder what’s really going on there. And so if it kind of pops that way then that’s usually a good indicator for us that it’s going to be interesting for viewers because these stories have a natural kind of drive to them. They make you want to kind of find out what’s really going on there. And so those are the kind of things that we’re looking for when all those things kind of are check-off. We think we’ve got a great story on our hands.

Q) How about with the Amelia Earhart season opener, I’m curious that particular case has been covered by some other shows and as you probably know from your research, it’s a much debated topic on exactly what happened to Amelia Earhart. In fact this really becomes quite – kind of contentious with a lot of groups out there. Did you sort of pick up on a lot of that stuff behind the scenes that there really are so many stories about which island and which wreckage sort of – and how do you sort of wrestle with that and sort of trying to add something new into something that’s been debated?

A) Sure I think its great question. I think we could have done 8 hours on Earhart there’s probably 20 theories that extend out from her vanished flight. People say she could be Saipan, people say she was a prisoner of war, the Japanese, people say that it was a cover up and this and that. It runs a gamut. And so I think for us, it’s about selecting the stories that – look in the case of the Fiji bones, this search on (Nikimaro) which has resulted in this aluminum panel being found and sort of herald it up by the group that found it, Tiger as evidence of her plane that’s a sort of leading theory. That’s certainly a group that is well-organized, that has spent an enormous amount of its time and resources devoted to this. And we really felt like we wanted to follow a part of their story and to follow this investigation in Fiji for these missing bones. I think that certainly behind the scenes, your right. There is some contentious wrangling about which theories are more or less viable. I think for us, it was about so many of the things that I’ve seen on Earhart are kind of at arm’s length. Its stock footage and its stories about where she went. But there isn’t really kind of a first person experiential element to it. We wanted to go to the runway she last took off from, go to the places that are associated with her stories and kind of put roots on the ground and let people experience it in a first person way.I think that’s what sets us apart. I think that’s what sets the series apart. Is that it’s not just the kind of arms length show where we just do nothing but kind of put up talking heads or just kind of talk our way through a story that you’ve heard a number of times. It’s about kind of going there, being there, going to the place, and experiencing the story. Earhart’s a huge mystery and it may well be something that we tackle again in the future. I think that there’s a lot of angles in that story. But we felt it was a great time to tell that story with this new evidence being presented and we’ve picked on the two us most interesting leads in that case but for sure there are others and that may lead to future investigations. Who knows?

Q) Do you have a personal collection of archeological finds and if so, what are a couple of your favorite pieces?

A) I have a collection of – not necessarily archeological finds but of strange mementos from around the world. If you try to find something from various places we’ve been to bring back and I’ve kind of a library of wacky weird things cluttering the shelves and sometimes it’s something archeological, sometimes it’s something kind of random. I brought back a stone from the runway where Earhart last took off from to the Earhart episode and certainly nothing of any real value to most people. But to me it was a very kind of interesting thing. It was this little physical reminder of this is the last place where her plane rumbled down the runway and has a little piece of that as a reminder is very important to me. But I have a lot of maps and things that I’ve collected from different places. We’ve just returned from Myanmar where they have this great heritage of hand carved puppets. I have this beautiful little puppet that I brought home from there. So try to bring home something from the places that we travel to that are kind of connected to those stories. But its’ a weird collection of things.

Q) I’m interested in this episode you do in Cambodia, can you tell me anything about the mystical relic?

A) Sure, it’s a great story because it has a real world component to it that’s really compelling. There’s a city in Cambodia that has been lost for centuries, the place that archeologist sort of knew exist. And they knew that it was on this one mountain. But they have not been able to find it and part of the reason is that, Cambodia went through a very difficult period under the leadership of Khmer Rouge and the country’s heavily landmine even to this day and this mountain is heavily landmine and it’s really hampered archeologist’s ability to investigate there. But using a very cool new technology called (Lidar) which is sort of an air based laser scanning technology, they were able to scan this mountain and pinpoint this lost city.And so three’s this really exciting investigation underway there now where they’re really unearthing this ancient city on the side of this mountain. And so in the episode we have a chance to go there and to go this city. The ruler of this city had an artifact that as did all of the ancient kings of Angkor which is the civilization, this is a part of – known as a Lingo which is kind of symbol that would give the king – a stone which would give the king a sort of the powers of the Hindu God Shiva. It’s kind of the Shangkara stones from Indiana Jones from the temple of doom. Those were actually Lingo so that kind of an artifact. And this would have given this king an immense power and it’s one of the things that archeologist are looking for in this lost city. So it’s a very cool legend that threads in with every real investigation and a very – really stunning look at this city, that really hasn’t been seen by human eyes for half a millennia. So we think it’s a really cool episode and I think it’s – you definitely have to correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe it’s the second one up in the cycle. So it will be the week after the premier.

Q) I was wondering if you’re a part of social media. Are you looking forward to that instant fan feedback you’ll receive when the episodes premier?

A) I’m looking forward to it and terrified of it all at the same time. No I’m really looking forward to it. I have to say, it’s one of the really great things, over the last 5 years or so, that’s really revolutionized TV obviously for everybody and it’s great. I mean I can have a show air and in real time get feedback from the fans of the show. And that’s actually immensely important beyond it just being kind of fun to get feedback or sort of cringe worthy feedback if people don’t like something. But it’s actually important because it really tells us what’s working in the series, what people are connecting with. And I’ve always been a real big believer in trying to connect with the fans and in the past, my Destination Truth, I was very active with that as well and I plan to be even more active now. So this show is for the fans. It’s for people that are excited about adventure travel. It’s for people that are excited about these legends who maybe want to go out and have their own adventures and so I’m eager to hear from viewers of the show and to interact with them and I do that largely through Twitter and through my Facebook page and we’ll also be doing that with chats and live tweets during the shows and things like that. So we’re going to find all sorts of opportunities to really interact with folks in real time.

Q) Well, what do you think about the show that will make it a quick fan favorite?

A) I hope what people connect to about the show is the feeling that they’re really a part of the adventure. It really drives me crazy when I watch adventure shows where I feel like I’m being kind of kept at arm’s length where I feel like I’m watching somebody else’s trip, but I don’t – it feels overly produced or it doesn’t really feel like its inviting me in and I think we’re really trying to make the viewer feel like they’re along for the ride with us. And so for me what I hope the people take from the show is, is that’s its exciting for them and look it has a little bit of that I’m in over my head from time to time. So there is that kind of joy that people can take from sort of watching these suffers through some of these difficult situations. But it’s really about providing a journey that’s dramatic, exciting, unexpected, and funny. The show certainly has a good sense of humor and I think that – what I hope makes it work for people is the sense that they really feel like they went on a trip for an hour. They got to kind of be transported and go to some far away location and take part in this adventure.

Q) What you just ended up with, ties in perfect with what I wanted to ask because I was hoping that the sense of humor that you always have will be backing your new show, but also when you said you kind of find yourself in sticky situation, that was kind of like in Destination Truth. I was wondering if we were going to be treated to some of your mishaps. I wondered if that will be part of this show too?

A) I think that one of the things that are true about travel, about all travel is that no matter how well you plan it, no matter how organized you are about it, it always comes off trail a little bit. I mean anyone who’s been anywhere especially to developing nations or those kind of exotic locations those trips always get kind of hairy from time to time. And really I think that our mission is always to not cut that stuff out of the show but to make it a part of the series. I think that travel is about the good, the bad and the ugly and it’s not just about the beautiful destinations and it’s not just about the great landscapes. It’s about the terrible food, and the bumpy roads and the bad cars and all the challenges that come along with it. And so a lot of times in the show, I’m sweating bullets and in over my head and have some death trap that I’m thriving and that’s something that people have really responded to positively in the past and it’s something that will continue. We just don’t want to white wash that stuff out of the show. We really feel like that that’s a part of what makes the expedition feel real it’s because we’re just letting the viewer in to see what it’s really like to travel to these places. So for sure, you’re going to be having lots of opportunities to laugh at me in the weeks ahead.

Q) After watching the premier, there’s definitely a few times where I was definitely nervous for you. Were there a few times where you have like feared for your safety?

A) Well, I think that there are a lot of moments in the show where it genuinely seems like I don’t know what’s going to happen next and that’s real. We really pre-produced the series in the way where we know in advance how everything’s going to turn out. I mean there’s that amazing moment in the premier with that earthquake in the middle of the interview. It’s just the kind of stuff that you just can’t plan for it. It just happens. I mean for me diving down into kind of murky waters and especially, I have to tell you, I was really, really terrified landing in that helicopter out in that village because I genuinely didn’t really know what was going to happen. We had a set of coordinates, there’s supposed to be a village there. There was not a village there, there was a clearing that was there which we sort of took a guess and say okay maybe this is where we’re supposed to land, it’s near the coordinates. And then to have these tribes come out of the jungle brandishing spears and bows and arrows it’s something out of a movie and it’s – you have this moment where you go, oh my god, I don’t know what’s going to happen here. But that’s what makes the show exciting and it’s really I think what makes the expeditions authentic is that we’re really going to these places and just putting ourselves in harm’s way and seeing what happens. So there are a lot of moments where I genuinely like the viewer don’t know what’s going to happen next. But in a lot of ways, that’s the kind of the show.

Q) Visiting so many of these other cultures, is there anything you found that you’re surprised to learn about yourself?

A) That’s a great question. I don’t know, I think when I started traveling professionally, 7 or 8 years ago, I thought that a lot of these legends and stories where just that, were legends and stories, I think that I’ve become surprised at how much more respect that I have for a lot of these stories, even the really wild ones because they, not so much with Earhart because we know we have an authentic missing person’s case there. But some of these legends like cursed relic and lost treasures and things like that, they really do tell you so much in some cases about the culture that you’re visiting. The things that they value, the stories that they want to tell. And so I think I’ve learned over the years, to become a better listener and to really not dismiss these stories so quickly. And I think that I’m not sure 8 or 9 years ago, I would have said Okay. I’m going to go look for a cursed relic in Myanmar and take a serious approach to that. And think that it’s going to be there. But I think now I really feel like whether the artifact is real or not, whether it’s cursed or not, the fact that this is a legend that’s so important to the people from this country makes it worth listening to, makes it worth exploring. And so I think that’s been surprising along the way. And certainly in terms of things that have surprised me about other places and other cultures it’s kind of endless. I mean Papua New Guinea is a great example, what an insanely diverse place that just filled with unseen, inexperienced things and so I’m just endlessly captivated by all that.

Q) What’s your current rough account of how many countries you’ve been to and how many air miles you’ve done?

A) Air miles I’ve done, I don’t have a clear count on – I know that I’m rapidly approaching a million miles just with United. So I’m closing in on that but I’m sure it’s well over a million if you include other carriers around the world obviously. So country list I’m currently at 95. So I’m closing in on a hundred.

Q) Whenever an American goes to some countries, they always seem very other worldly because they often tower above the people there. But especially you so first of all you listed 6’2 or 6’3 straighten that out, which one are you?

A) It depends if I’m slouching or not. Let’s call it 6’3.

Q) There were times you guys seem to be under your shoulders, how tall do you think some of those shorter people that you’re dealing with. And what do you think psychological effect that has?

A) Well I think in Papua New Guinea certainly there were people that I was talking to that I think were under 5 feet and we just did an episode in Japan and its like on the street in Japan I can see over everybody’s head just about but I don’t know. I think it depends on the country. In Papua New Guinea certainly I think it’s quite surprising for a lot of people because beyond the just the height, a lot of it is just the appearance. When we watched that Earhart and we see the mud man or these different tribes and the way they’re painted up, they seem very exotic to us but of course if we reflect the mirror, we must seem just as exotic to them with our strange REI shirts and things like that. It must seem just as exotic in reverse and blond hair and pale skin. And so I think in a lot of senses though it’s the same reaction that I have. I look at these tribes in a sort of sense of amazement and wonder and there’s kind of – sort of impressed by the exoticism of all that it had different feel to me. And I think a lot of times they feel that as well. In Myanmar where we just were – which is just now kind of opening to the outside to the outside world, I found the people quite shy. I think that they’re not overly socialized to outsiders and so, they’re very, very shy in a lot of ways and you have to kind of temper your approach a little bit especially as Americans were quite loud and fairly kind of socially aggressive the way that we come on with people. We’re casual. And in certain places that’s just very different. And in Myanmar you have to be much kind of gentler with the way you interact with people because they’re just not used to outsiders. So it’s really different in every country. In Japan obviously, there’s a thousand different cultural norms that run counter to things that we would do every day and so I think it’s about kind of feeling out and trying to be appropriate as possible in the most different cultures, but yes there are times when I walk into the village and I’m 6’3 big guy, blonde hair, pale skin and people just don’t know what to make of me. Kids sometimes are like, either giggling laughing or like terrified. It’s sort of run the gamut. Some of these little kids have just never seen a white person before.

Q) I just want to think because when you say we get to see you suffer, that’s part of that. Just briefly tell us, what it actually felt like the moment that earthquake came and also when you had that – what seemed to be a really dizzying drink you took, the one where you ended up even lying down?

A) Yes the earthquake was shocking because it was a 7.4 but it was very close to where we were. And it was – it just felt like the entire world had sort of liquefied. And it went on. I mean it went on for 10 or 12, 15 seconds. It just felt like the entire world was kind of – had turned to pudding and one of the huts in the village completely toppled over on its side and it was – it was terrifying and as it went on, it became kind of amusing because it was just like, it just I couldn’t believe it. I know the cameras were rolling and I just couldn’t believe that this is happening in the middle of an interview. I mean million to one. Booay which is the betel nut that I was chewing I’ve actually had before in Papua New Guinea years ago. Its – to me it’s not an enjoyable taste. It is incredibly consumed around the world as one of the most popular, I call it a drug but it’s kind of a natural thing. It’s almost like a stimulant like coffee but to the uninitiated if you haven’t had it before it kind of hits you hard. It’s like you’ve never had a cup of coffee and you’ve gulped down a couple cups of coffee you’re wired. And it really just makes you kind of warm and kind of caffeinated and dizzy and it just kind of overwhelming there for a minute which of course to everybody and around me, in that market was hilarious. To see somebody try to stuff and get kind of knocked in their ass by it of course that’s like Christmas morning. So, they were thrilled to see me kind of knocked off my game by it. But it is definitely an acquired taste. It’s not for everybody.

Q) I have a question about when you travel and you have begin your back destination or whatever, have you ever had one that you’re like I will never do that again?

A) Well the vaccines last for – most will last for about 10 years. And so, if you go to certain places in the developing world, even once you usually get kind of vaccinated up pretty well for everywhere else. I think I’ve got just about every vaccine under the sun. Malaria pills are sometimes not the fondest things in the world. They can give you kind of vivid dreams and they don’t always make you feel so good. But certainly beats getting Malaria. I think for me, it’s more about the food stuff. Really on shows like these, it’s not a question of who in the crew is going to get sick; it’s a question of when.So when you’re traveling from country to country in a row and they’re kind of developing nations you’re going to get sick at some point. So that’s a challenge and really probably the least fun part of it all. But it also just kind of comes with the territory and so, everybody kind of bears it and gets through it and supports it each other, but that’s the one part of it that of course is no fun at all. But hey it’s occupational hazard.

Q) When you get home, is there anything that you’re like, I can’t wait to get?

A) In and Out Burger which is a California or West coast kind of thing. But In and Out burger is usually my first stop in the way home from the airport.

 

 

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