Jason Hawes and Steve Gonsalves – Ghost Nation

By starrymag | April 21, 2020

By: Lisa Steinberg

 

 

Q) Going into season two, did you all sit down and make a list of things you thought maybe you would be interested in covering this season, or how did you guys come to do the specific paranormal investigation to do in this particular season?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, people reach out to us and they always have, through our different websites and they make contact with us asking us to head out and investigate the locations, or their teams reach out to us all the time and ask for our assistance, helping them out, in certain investigations.  So that’s pretty much how those cases come to us and then of course we get an abundance of them.  So, we have to sit down, go through which ones seem to jump to the front, and be priority type cases.  Any cases that involve somebody who has [inaudible] or is fearful of things going on in their home, seems to have activity going on at this moment, of course, jumps to the front of the list.  And, we head out and try to help out as many as we can.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, you know, in this second season, we also wanted to maintain sort of our original focus, which is–you know, taking on cases where we are actually helping people–you know not necessarily just running to try to get–you know the best piece of paranormal evidence or‑‑you know the next–you know, piece of whatever’s gonna push the field.  This was very much so places that we could help, and impact the people and clients directly and the teams that need help around the countries, we wanted to make sure we were still getting cases from the teams, and not just chasing places ourselves.

 

Mr. Hawes – It’s about making a difference, I think that’s the important thing.

 

Q) Going into this season, did you take anything away from season one, where you’re like, “We need to have newer gadgets or maybe this specific item on our hands?”

 

Mr. Hawes – Well we’re always testing out new pieces of equipment and trying to see how they could benefit us in the field and also help push the field forward.  So, we’re always working on new types of equipment, there’s going to be some new pieces of equipment that we’ll be introducing this season as well.  Because it’s always about not sitting stagnant, it’s always about trying to push the field forward.  So, we’re always looking for that new, epic piece of equipment.  You got anything with that, Steve?

 

Mr. Gonsalves –Yeah, when it comes to equipment–you know it’s very difficult to know what the next big piece of equipment’s gonna be or the next device that is a–you know, a corner turning piece of device.  So, we’re keeping our ears to the ground in terms of what has been coming out, what is being done.  But we’ve also–you know, gone into research and development ourselves and have started to develop equipment–you know, specifically for us and that sort of thing for our needs, for our investigations.  You’ll see a sonar device this season that we’ve never used before that’s absolutely phenomenal and is yielding us some amazing results.  But, on that same–in a linear fashion–you know, we’re also making what we do know is tried and true better.  You know, our audio recording devices which we  play EVPs and that sort of thing–you know how do we take that to the next level?  You know, our energy sensing equipment how do we take that to the next level and make it the best that it can?  So not only were we looking or the next and the best, and–but we’re also taking what we already use and elevating it to the next level.

 

Q) You talked a little bit about pushing the field and there are just so many paranormal shows popping up. Some of somewhat questionable authenticity. So how do you feel about the trend in how the paranormal field is going, with so many shows coming in, so many different approaches?  Is it good, is it bad, is it a mix?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well I think honestly, every show out there is going to do things their own way.  People are going to find something they like and dislike in all these shows.  I–so I think everybody doing it their own way helps push the field forward, because if it doesn’t work for them, then the next team may not follow that same path or do something.  So honestly, like I said, I think everybody doing things their own way is a benefit for the field, ‘cause it helps push the field forward and it helps show different views and different takes of what works and what doesn’t.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Absolutely, and each one of these shows, you know, they all have their own protocols, their own procedures, their own type of equipment they use–you know, they’re checking out the different places, different way of doing things.  As long as–you know, they’re not rep–misrepresenting their evidence or misrepresenting their historical findings or any of that, I think there’s room for everybody, you know?  The audience will–you know choose the shows that they like and grab onto, but–you know, different stokes for different folks for sure–you know, everybody has their own wrestler, [sp], their favorite band, there’s room for all of us.

 

Q) What do you think is the most exciting thing going on in the paranormal field right now, whether it’s equipment, or people with those different approaches that we were talking about, what do you think is really on the cutting edge right now?

 

Mr. Gonsalves – I think equipment is definitely getting there, the devices and–you know the ability to capture evidence in ways that we haven’t been able to is quite–you know, at a different level now.  But I think the collective conscious that everybody has together, is definitively different now, and working towards–you know towards a common goal in this field, which I think is pretty awesome.

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, and like Steve just touched on it earlier, I mean we’re working with all different individuals, especially lately, electrical engineers and everything else, on different types of equipment that we think can further the field.  And I think having them involved is a highly exciting thing for us, because we’re able to come up with these ideas and they’re able to build equipment and implement them–implementing it so we can start using it, to see if this works, if this doesn’t and what we can change, what we need to modify.  So, I think that’s some of the most highly excitement that well, the most excitement is coming out right now, with it all.

 

Q) When you look at the places around the nation that are open to paranormal investigation, what gets you more exited? A place that has been investigated a whole bunch by a lot of people, even perhaps you in the past, or a place that is like brand new, and has never been touched by an investigator?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, I love going to the place we’ve never investigated before.  Because we’re going in, there’s no expectation of anything.  We’re going in being the first and being able to get our hands on it.  A place that’s been investigated a thousand times really isn’t that exciting to me, I mean, so many different people have either pulled out evidence, or already been able to figure out what’s truly going on.  Us going in first, no idea what we’re com–what we’re gonna be dealing with, trying to figure all the answers ourselves, I think that’s the most exciting ones, wouldn’t you say Steve?

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, I would definitely agree with that.  There’s a different energy and just–and I don’t mean a paranormal energy, I mean an energy amongst the investigators that–you know places that haven’t been investigated before, especially by us, there’s just a different excitement about them.  But, you know, it has pros and cons, places that have been investigated and hasn’t, but–you know, one of the trappings of investigating a place that has been investigated a long–you know, quite a bit is that half of the stories–you know or half of the claims come from the paranormal teams.  And you’re not, quite too sure of–you know, how strict their evidence collection is–you know, you may be chasing around a voice of someone named Bob who died in a certain room.  But then–you know maybe that team didn’t do their proper research and that person never died in that room, so that EVP never–you know, that sort of thing.  There are trappings on both sides, but I would definitely agree that it’s a lot more fun–you know when we get to be the first to go in there and sort of trailblaze the location.

 

Q) We see on the show sometimes the homeowners are quite afraid when you reach them. What about or you, does fear still come to play for these investigations?

 

Mr. Hawes – Actually I think you always–not fear, I think excitement of course you might get startled from something but I think you always need to be on guard because you never know what you’re walking into, you never know who’s on the other side of that door and what problems are going on  are they paranormal, are they medical?  Are they some other issues?  So you’re walking in sort of blind sighted with everything happening there.  So, you always need to be on guard, when it comes down to ghosts and hauntings and things of that nature, it’s not scary to us, it’s intriguing.  Because we look at it like everything, we do it’s adding a piece to that puzzle, or [inaudible] figure it all out, put that puzzle together to totally understand what’s happening.

 

Mr. Gonsalves –Yeah, there’s no–you know, like Jay said, you definitely can get startled–you know, if you’re anywhere and someone–you know, slams a door or throws–you’re gonna jump–you know, it’s almost impossible not to.  But to us it doesn’t translate into fear, it translates into excitement, into let’s find out what that is–you know that’s when you get to become an investigator and you’re not longer an observer.  You know, now you’re trying to figure it out and see what is happening, and the more paranormal, the more extreme, any for that, just means more excitement for us.

 

Q) Having done this for a long time I mean, as you head into the second season of “Ghost Nation,” have you found that your own personal theories or beliefs shave evolved recently? So, and that’s the question, what are maybe some recent developments in your own philosophy about the paranormal, or paranormal activity? What are some of those recent developments?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well I would say that it’s not that our philosophies [inaudible] have really changed, but our [inaudible] types of haunting that we’ve always thoughts, we’ve–especially over the last so many year and in some recent cases, we’ve just found that instead of there just being these intelligent residual or poltergeist type haunts, or human type haunts, there’s also–there’s other types of haunts, whether it’s time-lapse haunts, and time overlapping haunts, things of that nature.  Because some of these things we’re catching, are–as if, what if what we’re catching is living a normal day in its life, still doing its routine, things around it, the same people that they’re always around, as we’re in ours.  So, for whatever reason, their time and our time seems to be overlapping in some of these haunts.  And those have been the most fascinating cases as of recently.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – That’s a good question.  For me, it’s a little bit two-pronged–you know, for–you know, a sort of the last [inaudible] have jumped into science quite a bit and I thought it would dispel some of my beliefs in the paranormal, but it has actually done quite the opposite which is surprising to me.  But on the philosophy side of it–you know, I’m sort of coming to a place where I realize that the paranormal sort of means different things to different people–you know?  To me, it’s–you know, very much based in science and I’m not looking–but–you know, to other people maybe it’s not, maybe it’s very spiritual, maybe it is–you know, they’re looking at hits orb as–you know their mom and that sort of thing.  Maybe I don’t need to swoop in say “Hey that’s just dust,” you know?  Everybody’s sort of on their own journey when it comes to the paranormal, and I’m starting to realize that.

 

Q) I’m curious, this season you guys visit the Beetlejuice Theater and maybe Steve, you’re the first person to react to this, what was it like visiting this production of Beetlejuice on Broadway conducting an investigation, and was there any moment where you kind of set aside being a film lover, and being excited to be on that set and then also–you know, buckling down and focusing on the job of the paranormal investigation?

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Being a fan of Beetlejuice the Musical, it was amazing to be there and be with the cast and see behind the scenes and things that are–you know, moving and shaking and that sort of thing.  When we were there filming that, that was actually I think my 10th time setting the show.  But you know, it wasn’t an investigation in that sense where we were really diving in deep–you know, ‘cause you can’t control that sort of thing.  This was very much a come together of minds and really coming to the–you know, some different means there.  But in terms of investigating the Winter Garden Theatre, they do claim it is haunted–you know, in our short time there sadly, we didn’t come across anything.  But they do claim there are some ghosts there–you know?  Not just Beetlejuice, but realistically.

 

Q) And Jason, finally just during this time of isolation and quarantine and Steve you can weigh in on this as well, what do you think, do you think that [inaudible] people report more activity simply because they’re home and maybe being more observant or maybe their energy or whatever is kind of getting used to whatever activity is around them? What do you think is gonna be the paranormal sort of fallout of quarantine and isolation time?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, just like anytime, of course during the fall usually, claims of paranormal activity pick up, because people are home and they’re home earlier and usually at that point it’s getting dark earlier, they’re able to hear all the pops and creeks in the house, so you get more reports of paranormal activity.  Right now, of course we’ve been getting an abundance of cases because people are home all the time. Also, beyond that, people are stressed.  I’m loving being at home and hanging out with the kids and–you know, I look at it like a positive, in one aspect.  But yeah, but a lot of people are in contact with us.  The only thing that’s tough is right now we’ve put a lockdown on our cases, where we’ve got groups all over the world Aaron, and you know that  we’ve got seventy-two groups in fourteen other countries.  But we put a lock down on those where–and we’re getting an abundance of cases, but people–we can’t get out to them right now, for their safety, for our safety.  And so, those cases are piling up.  But as soon as everything calms down, and we get back out there and start helping as many as possible.  We are seeing a huge influx of cases that are showing up now, that’s just because everybody’s at home.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, I think that makes sense–you know, it just seems like if you live in a haunted house or a supposedly haunted house and–you know, you’re only spending 40% of your day in there, and now you’re spending 80% of your day, it–you know, you’re way more likely to encounter activity, that sort of thing.  So, I’d say that for sure, yeah.

 

Q) The premiere episode for season two, it didn’t seem like they had really anything other than feeling uncomfortable, their ghost– they just saw apparitions first, but they didn’t really seem to be threatening. I mean, the one guy was a little bit grumpy about “Hey you’re peeling apples doing a woman’s work,” but how do you finesse that with people? Is it–’cause you almost have to be like a psychologist to the–you know, ‘cause to you guys like you had said, this isn’t really scary, but to these poor homeowners, like I just wondered how do you finesse that, for everybody?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well I think every person you deal with is very different.  So, it’s more of a you gotta get into their psyche, you gotta contact with them and understand what part of it is the most terrifying to them.  And to them it was more something in their home, when they least expect it, they’d turn around, somebody’d be walking through their kitchen, they’d–you know, Steve would turn around and somebody’d be sitting there at the kitchen counter with him.  So, it was a startling thing that they were feeling sort of threatened because of the fact that–you know, somebody showing up in their house all the time.  But every piece is different, every [inaudible] deal with is so different.  You need to connect with that person on a psychological person to understand where their–the majority of their fear is coming from.  Is it a fear that they’re not scared of ghosts, but they’re just scared of having somebody in the house or are they scared of the unknown?  And, but I think that’s what’s so interesting about it, is every time you go do an investigation, it–each investigation is so different from the last.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Oh yeah.  And you know, to add on to that, without giving too much of the episode away here–you know, Steve and Glenda, Steve was actually quite terrified, he wouldn’t–when we first got there, he wouldn’t even go in the backyard–you know, he wouldn’t go next to the tree, he wouldn’t go in the backyard.  And you’ll see actually in the episode, there’s a moment when he’s outside with us, and we’re all sort of digging though stuff and I put my hand on his shoulder and Jay looks over at him and–you know, and we’re kind of like, “Hey man–you know, we’re really proud of you–you know, literally a week ago you wouldn’t even go out your back door and now look, you’re right at the tree with us.”  And you know, and he sort of took stock in that and said “Wow, you know what?  Maybe you know, I can get through this” and that was pretty cool to see.  But there were some things happening there that they thought was pretty threatening, and even though once you boil it down and pull back sort of the layers there, it wasn’t, but–you know, sometimes it is.  Sometimes we go in thinking that it’s not going to be frightening and–you know, we end up dealing with something that’s–you know a bit more boisterous than we thought it was.  And you know, so that does happen to.  But.

 

Mr. Hawes – Yeah, [inaudible] a lot of things happen that we just weren’t prepared for.  Of course, I don’t wanna give too much away, but it just–it turned out to be an incredible case, incredible evidence wise, but also the fact that it just opened up so many more doors that–with other things happening.  It’s–it was just an incredible case.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – With Steve and Glenda, we spent so much time with these clients on this show, on Ghost Nation, especially in this second season here that you know, you become friends with the–I really like Steve–you know, he’s a really cool guy, he’s fun to talk to, he’s a musician.  You know, you just wanna say “Hey can I come back next week and–you know, maybe we’ll just hang out and talk,”  You know and they were really, really genuinely nice and cool people who were just dealing with something that they couldn’t explain that we really–you know, kind of playing with their marriage and sort of–you know, messing with their house.  They were ready to move out or sell it.

 

Q) And the world of paranormal investigation–you know that’s the premise for a lot of movies and TV shows, horror movies, comedies, all that sort of thing. Everybody’s been dreaming casting this TV show, and I was curious if you were dream casting Ghost Nation, for the big screen, who would you like to see play you?

 

Mr. Hawes – Wow, gosh.  You see, I don’t know I’ve never actually thoughts about–you know movie type stuff.  Like, I remember years ago, somebody kept on saying–well they were bringing it up and kept on saying that Michael Chiklis [sic] should be me, but that was–no, [inaudible].

 

Q) I can see that, he’s a little shorter, little stalkier than you, Jay I feel like, but I think he can be a good representation.

 

Mr. Hawes – Yeah, older Jay, older Jay.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, Michael Chiklis.  That’s a good question.  I don’t know who–for me I have a lot people, but I was a little heavier told me that Seth Rogen would be a good sort of–I guess we had a similar facial build.  But I don’t know, that’s a good question.  Maybe Nathan Lane, or somebody goofy, I don’t know.

 

Mr. Cavanaugh – Yeah, I do like thinking of the time in the makeup chair to get all of your tattoos on  Nathan Lane.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, right?  Just wear those fake-like Hot Topic [sp] sleeves, you can wear like a shirt.

 

Q) There we go [inaudible] okay, here’s my question: what is the procedure that you guys follow? Like somebody calls in or gets ahold of you and says that–you know, they have some paranoia–or paranormal activity that’s terrorizing   Do you vet them first, do you interview them first?  Do you just go down and film?  I’m just wondering what the procedure is, so I mean some people are probably maybe just delusional, they think that they have something and they’re crazy people?  So how do you go about deciding who and how do you proceed?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, that’s a great question, honestly and we–so we can get up to 1,000 in a day. Yeah, we have groups that are associated with us all over the world.  So if I get  case in California, I’ve got a group out there, that I can send to do a preliminary check on that case, go meet the client, write up a preliminary report on the things that are going on in that home.  Cause we do, we vet them, we–’cause if you’re calling into our–into your home because you believe that you have a problem, then you need to open up pretty much your life to us.  So, we will look at–you know, what types of medication you’re on, we will try to find–well because we’ve found in the past where we’ve had–we had a lady mixing two different types of prescriptions creating a hallucinogen.  So, these are issues that are out there.  So we do vet them, we do–we also do a criminal background check on them, because we wanna make sure that everybody’s gonna be safe, just like all the teams that are associated with us, all  [inaudible] all their investigators.  So of course, there’s a wide range of stuff–you know, sending out a group to a preliminary check, checking into prescriptions, other issues, ‘cause when we get there’re, we wanna find–we wanna know everything that’s going on and we wanna prepare for anything.

 

Q) And do you ever come across people who totally just wanna be on TV or do a reality show type of thing?

 

Mr. Hawes – Oh absolutely, absolutely-we’ve come across–

 

Q) You know, bat shit crazy?

 

Mr. Hawes – Yeah, we’ve definitively come across that, stuff like that.  We’ve also come across people who’ve built speakers into their walls, to try to trick us into believing a place is haunted.  So, we’ve also been called into situations where drugs and alcohol have been in a situation or people in the beginning stages of schizophrenia.  We we’ve dealt with a lot of this stuff and a lot of time, when we go in, we’re trying to help with paranormal issues, a lot of times these problems might not have anything to do with the paranormal.  So, that’s why I think our network is great, because we’ve got the ability to reach out to counselors, psychologists, doctors, you name it, and bring them in to assist, when those–the problems are beyond what we’re able to handle.

 

Q) How many cases do you take a season?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, we do cases on and off the show.  So, you need to–so there’s a ton of cases that we do that we don’t televise. Because there’s a whole side of our investigations, there’s–some people do not wanna be on TV.  So on average, we could be on two cases in a week, or most of the time a case will–when we go to a place, we’re usually there for a week or two, but we’ll break into it different groups, it might be four people going here, four people going there.  So, when it comes down to the TV show, whatever cases we [inaudible] great on the show, we’ll use.  But if we’re doing cases off camera all the time. So, to give you a rough idea of the amount of cases we handle in a year, I couldn’t even begin to count.

 

Q) I know you can’t give away too much from season two, but was there anything that happened during the se)ason that really surprised you, or was something new to you? And likewise, is there kind of like, something you’ve never experienced that you hope to? I know some investigators are really about, “Oh I hope I see a full body apparition,” that’s like their holy grail of paranormal.   Did you have any unique experiences this season?

 

Mr. Hawes – We had incredible experiences this season and yeah, and we’ve caught some phenomenal evidence which we–it’s funny cause you might go to a place and think that you’re able to solve the problem and then going through the evidence you realize that you–you know, it’s a golden grail of evidence.  So, we have some phenomenal evidence this season, really, we do.  And you wanna take it from there, Steve?

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, you know and this season we would definitively–sadly–you know, we only got through a small portion of them, with–you know, understandably because of what we’re dealing with here with COVID-19.  You know—-everything got shut down.  But we were able to–the ones that we investigated; we had some evidence that was quite fantastic.  I did have some experiences–you know the one thing I’m waiting for is that sort of, I’ve never seen–you know a ghost or an apparition with eyes anyway, not–I think I’ve seen some shadow type of phenomena, but I mean, that is what you wanna see–you know who doesn’t?

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Who doesn’t wanna see that? And I do, I do wanna see that, I do wanna come across that.  We–I mean, I may be blowing–you know some stuff out of the water here but–you know, this–even in just these–you know episodes we’ve been able to film so far for this season, you know, we’ve had some physical movement of objects, we’ve had some–you know what we would consider–you known evidence that could lead us in the direction of saying–you know, “Full bodied apparition.”  You know, honestly, we have some amazing stuff coming up.  And that’s just in our first seven–you know?  When we get to the rest, I can’t wait to see what we come across.

 

Q) If you could give one piece of advice to someone that–you know they see the show they’re like “I wanna do this.” What would be you think the most important advice to give to a newbie that wants to get into doing paranormal investigation?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well first off, I would say that take everything with a grain of salt.  Don’t–if you’re getting into this field, thinking that you’re gonna go and catch ghosts, then you’ve made the wrong choice of getting into this field.  Because the majority of the cases, I mean 80% of all cases are able to be debunked, as long as you’re trying to look for the real explanation.  So, I think first off–you know, take everything with a grain of salt, common sense is the best tool you can have out there, and yeah just be prepared for long waits, and very little to happen.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – That’s a good point, Jay, get ready for long waits and very little to happen (laughs).

 

Ms. Price –  Pick the people you investigate with very carefully.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, you know, a good little tip and not that people really wanna jump into certain things, but–you know, for me it–if it–it sort of disobeys basic laws of science and physics, then either I’m misinterpreting it–you know, or I’m making it up–you know and not on purpose to lie, but my brain can do things to me to make me think there are things there, that aren’t there, you know?  And that’s a real phenomenon.  So, if it disobeys the laws of science or physics, I tend to think either I’m misinterpreting what I’m seeing, or it’s in my head, in some fashion.

 

Q) I’m curious if when looking out of the United States, is there are part of the country or a particular state that you believe is much more active than others? A lot of times you hear about the northeast of course, your kind of old stomping ground. Where do you think is the most haunted or most paranormal place of the US?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well, I have to agree with you, we still [inaudible] northeast and it always has just incredible activity out this way.  And you get places everywhere from Maine, all the way down to Florida that just have some incredible locations, and some credible–incredible activity.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, you know, we’re lucky to live in New England for us–you know, because New England is–you know quite a bit of a hot spot for this sort of activity.  And I think anywhere‑‑you know that you have the history–you know, more trauma that can happen and more love that can happen–you know more of any of that sort of extreme emotion, you’re gonna have–you know, the more potential for hauntings.  And you’ll see that in places like Florida–you know and New England, and some of the earlier settled spots.

 

Q) And in a lot of movies, fictional moves that we see about paranormal activity and investigation, we see that children are sometimes the first that are impacted in a house. Do you find that any of that bears–you know is true base on your own investigations, that children are the ones to face some of this first?

 

Mr. Hawes – One hundred percent, because children aren’t conditioned, to a child, anything’s possible.  And we talk about this all the time, where children are more prone to see thing than adults because again everything’s possible, right, I mean they’re–a big bunny brings them a basket, a big fat guy comes down the chimney, it’s not until we start telling them their invisible friends aren’t real, that we start closing them off or conditioning them to our belief system, but to–I mean, they’re wide open.  So, they’re able to see things that adults are totally shut off from.

 

Q) Yeah, so–you know obviously, with your show being on the Travel Channel it kind of allows all of us viewers to safely travel to these locations and–you know, kind of escape the stresses of the real world. I was curious–you know, when you guys come back from an investigation, I assume the last thing you want to watch is a paranormal investigation show. So, I was curious what you guys typically go to as your comfort destressing watches?

 

Mr. Hawes – Oh, geez.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Great question.

 

Mr. Hawes – Yeah, you wanna start that off, Steve?  Go ahead.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, sure.  You know for me, a lot of horror movies, the classics–you know, watching some newer ones too, I’ve been liking those.  But free horror movies, TV shows, catching up on Better Call Saul latest season, I like Glow a lot, it’s a lot of fun.  Some of the paranormal shows, it’s interesting ‘cause–you know, I know they do some really good history, and it’s interesting to see, even though I talk to–you know there isn’t anybody on paranormal television that I’m not talking to, or–you know so it becomes kind of weird sometimes.  You turn the TV on, it’s like–you know “I talk to Amy and Adam all the time, do I wanna watch them on television too?”  You know it’s like–so we’re not really doing that too much.  But yeah, I gotta get to the rest of Better Call Saul, I think that’s where I’m at.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Oh, well you got me into Shameless.

 

Mr. Hawes – Oh, Shameless. That’s right, yeah, that’s one of my  go-to’s.  Yeah, I’m the same, I normally watch horror movies and when it comes down to TV, I’ll watch things like Shameless and things of that nature, but I honestly stick to some of the older shows, which I find that I’ll watch over and over again everything from Justified to Boardwalk Empire, things like that.  Those are my usual go-to, Dexter, one of my favorite shows of all time.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – Yeah, hand especially given the stressful environment that we’re in, as a horror fan, people are surprised when I’m watching horror movies.  But it’s like “Well I would rather be glad I’m not sucked in the cabin from Evil Dead and just be happy that I’m just stuck in my apartment where I have the Internet and TV and no Deadites outside my window.

 

Q) I thought of something at the last second there, but you guys were talking horror, so that’s great. I’m also watching plenty of horror while we’re stuck at home. But I’m kind of curious when you guys do—I guess, when we get the all clear from this virus and social distancing and so forth, when you guys can get back out there, have you given any thought to any changes you might make, for your guys’ safety and your crew’s safety?  Because you’re going into a lot of houses now and so forth, or do you guys foresee maybe taking a little bit of extended break, before you venture full out into people’s homes and so forth, because of the virus?

 

Mr. Hawes – Well I think once the government clears everything, I think the world’s gonna be a much different place.  Masks are gonna be a common thing, gloves are gonna be a common.  And then, we’ll take it one day at a time and of course, we’ll take whatever recommendations come from the government and the CDC and all of them, on what they think is the best thing to do.  But yeah, I think it’s more just one day at a time and see where everything ends up.

 

Mr. Gonsalves – I agree with that, for sure.  You know, some people who are–could be afraid–you know they still need help, you know?  Definitively take it one step at a time.  But also–you know they have more to worry about than we do.  You know if we go in–you know our team that sort of thing, they’re inviting a few people into their house and–you know, but for us, we’ll get there, for sure.  One day at a time.